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03/07/2012

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The arcane AIA forms were developed when architects were the only professional an owner could rely on. Times have changed. Owners have their own staff and/or hire PM/CM's. The Contracts and procdures should govern the process, not a form.

I don't see this issue so much as a "problem" but more as a "result" of other problems. I'll list a few that I see off the top of my head, though I am sure that there are probably more on all sides.
1) DPs (Design Professionals) that are incompetent and provide flawed and incomplete designs. Owners and Contractors have no confidence in the DP and don't want them in the loop.
2) DPs who are too slow in responding to issues and hold up the performance of the job.
3) DPs who don't communicate with all the players to be sure that issues are avoided in the design stage, and then drop out of the loop because they have been paid and think their job is done. Having to pay someone to fix their own screw up pisses everyone off.

Just had this again todsy. Owner had prior approved a very high application for payment. Then the Contractor did an end-around substitutng generic typical depth troffer fixtures for the 3.75" wet location fixtures I specified. Now the fixtures just miss fitting below the ductwork and an unesthetic solution had to be done for the Owner. Owners really think they can do the job of an architect, I get abysmal sketches and ideas that are really not in their best interest functionally, investment wise, etc. They are shooting themselves in the foot.

Also, the DP comment shows the arrogance of some to DP's. Some are better than others - but we jump to solve any issues. In the case of the lighting, the GC could have easily adjusted the ceiling height an inch, but he been AWOL on coordinasting just about everything and cost our firm twice the time in CA that we assumed. Some like to diss the DP, but I have yet to see a GC who takes even 10% of the issues into account when solving an issue. We favor a partnering approach where people with mutual respect for each other do the project and take the best advantage of each others gifts.

Do Project Owners Ignore Design Professionals During Construction? DOES A BEAR POOP IN THE WOODS?

Most ALL the time - w/homeowners & commercial developers. Rarely w/corporate or public owners.

ET's post is exactly (50%) correct. The other (50%)
is the bid-award Contractor who secretly tells the
Owner: "I've gotta deal for you....First, we bury the Architect, then we can really SAVE YOU MONEY by
changing, deleting, etc,".

I've been an arbitrator and mediator for AAA for a munber of years and discovered communication is the answer to just about everything.
A few years ago I was asked to write an article (Advocacy Before Contract - ABC)related to this. In summary...what I learned in Boy Scouts still works; trustworthy, loyal, helpful, etc. In short, "Do what's right and do it on time."

Each has a role, and one does not replace the other. The best solution (in many cases, but we understand not all) in my very humble opinion is for the client to have their CM/PM working in harmoney with their Architectural Team and SME's. My company as a technology design firm are part of building a Tier II Data Center for a regional County client, and there is great harmony and a common goal built around creating the best result for the client. In 35 years this is one of my top projects in terms of Quality and pride.

By contrast, we have another similiar project for another client where the CM and Client are as one observer put it "self-annointed" and the project is headed south because the Technolgy SME's and Architect are only called when there is a problem. Although, truth be told the actualy problem began much earlier at the start and they are oblivious to it. The client, CM, Architect and SME's all have an important role to perform, and one is a fool to try to do the others job if that competency is not in their wheel-house, and, you are doing a disservice to the client. So yes, it is very much a team effort with all of us together for the greater good/result. My .02. Thank you.

The AE should prepare thorough integrated coordination drawings showing all trades. There is no excuse for the AE cutting fees and expecting the CG and subs to do application engineering for free. When an owner is trying to cut costs by paying for "Drawings" to obtain a permit and then ignoring the AE and make side deals with the GC, he gets poor results and adversarial relationships from the "team". The owner may even get off cheaper if he hires a tricky lawyer. There is no substitute for an owner to have a good engineer / project manager who is in frequent communication with the Engineer of Record as well as all contractors.

Team, Team, Team, Every person involved in the planning, design, and construction has a part to play in the process of building x.... What ever you are building it takes at team to do it. Every person in the team has strengths weaknesses and insights.

Over the years I've been amazed at how some things in the design took a set shape(maybe even wierd and some what bazare shape) due to client perspectives, environmental constraints, or physical constraints. The PM / CM, and contractor wonders why this x... was designed the way it was and the PM / CM may decide to change it without consulting the engineers, and many hours of work go out the window because the PM / CM (or possibley a contractor) think they at a wime can redesign better than the original engineer with all the stake holders engaged. It takes a team, some things in the field are begging to be redesigned to make them more functional, but before we jump to field fitting stuff talk to the other parts of the team.
I'm involved in the construction management and design, so I get to see both phases of the project. Team, Team, Team

I am an ESD (LEED-AP) and commissioning authority (CxA). The requirements for LEED AND commissioning specify that I be involved from the beginning of a project. Many times the project is complete when the owner decides a LEED plaque would look nice in the lobby. Even if the owner wanted to listen to me (very seldom), it wouldn't matter because anything I would advise him on is already water under the bridge. He just wants me to sign the form and get him his plaque.

Between the AIA contract documents, amended to fit the project, and a well written set of specifications, especially Division 01, the less experienced architect has a very sound basis on which to carry out their contract administration responsibilities. Like preparing to teach a class, the architect should spend several hours preparing for each site visit and progress meeting by becoming familiar with the contract requirements ahead of time. Participating in CSI's Construction Contract Administration Course is the other key - it is aimed specifically at architect CA staff and CM project management staff. Competent CA work is a key to obtaining good design while preventing disputes that could lead to claims against the AE. Architects should think twice about taking on projects where they will not be substantively involved in CA.

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